Model 3 - Full Self Driving Option

"DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back" (karsonkinja) 07/31/2017 at 11:25 • Filed to: None

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Just got done reading the below article. Telsa is planning on charging 3,000 dollars for the option for your car to be eventually have the ability to drive itself.

This feature is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary by jurisdiction.

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What is Tesla’s plan here? Cash in on early adopters? This is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard of. People would walk out of showrooms laughing if their BMW/Merc/Audi salesman said “well sir, your car doesn’t have [insert capability here] now, BUT it will in the future. Just sign here” But Tesla does it and its [buzzword].

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For Sweden > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 11:31

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The hardware exists, but the software will require years of testing before it’s operational.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > For Sweden 07/31/2017 at 11:33

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Right, I get that, but aren’t they basically asking their customers to gamble $3,000 on the hope that the self driving car software finishes testing and regulation gets passed before they dump this car and get a new one?

fintail > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 11:36

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The cult will eat it up.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 11:38

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It’s no different than buying a tesla 3 in general. You are anticipating there will be a company around in 5 years and this venture won’t bankrupt the company. It’s a risk many buyers are willing to take.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > My X-type is too a real Jaguar 07/31/2017 at 11:40

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I don’t know a lot about corporate business, so forgive me if I ask; Is Tesla really at risk of going belly up at this point? Is investor confidence really that over-inflated?

For Sweden > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 11:40

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I don’t think the $3000 is a good investment now. Wait until autopilot is finished, then buy another Tesla.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > For Sweden 07/31/2017 at 11:42

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DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > fintail 07/31/2017 at 11:43

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My thoughts exactly. Unless I hear a compelling reason otherwise this is no different to me than the $1,000 dollar pre-order. Just a fundraiser

Except this is worse. Its 3x the money on something that seems 3000x less likely to materialize (within the average length of ownership). 

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > For Sweden 07/31/2017 at 11:43

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Thats what I’m getting at. Its an investment. A bad one it seems.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 11:46

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If they don’t manage to fulfill a good percentage of Model 3 orders before people start asking for refunds on their deposits, that’s not a good sign. The next year is critical for them, especially for production and maintaining good PR/perception.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > For Sweden 07/31/2017 at 11:47

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$3000 now or $?,000 to retrofit? If even possible.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/31/2017 at 11:51

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I wouldn’t bet that they could fulfill it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they surpassed met expectations. Tesla has a habit of doing that. And there’s a lot of trendy hype surrounding Tesla that I could see most people letting Tesla keep their deposits interest free loans.

And to be honest I want Tesla to succeed. No one else is doing what they’re doing and competition is good for everyone.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/31/2017 at 11:51

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All Model 3s come with the hardware for autopilot. You are paying $3k for them to enable the software.

fintail > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 12:00

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I think it will sell just on bragging rights. Kind of like the pre-order.

Not the worst idea though, this brand seems to attract Prius drivers who blindly fell into a pile of money - not the most”with it”.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 07/31/2017 at 12:07

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I wasn’t sure, but that sort of stuff pisses me off. Just like when my kid’s playing Skylanders and he can’t go into a certain area of the game without a certain (extra cost) character. What a racket... When I was a kid, when you bought a game, you got THE WHOLE GAME.

Hopefully someone breaks the encryption and makes it so Tesla owners can activate it for free (or much cheaper).

TFen > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 12:22

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My truck has lane departure warning, radar adaptive cruise control, collision detection, etc.

If I was offered a way to future proof myself and receive an autonomous “update” down the line, I would’ve strongly considered it. In fact I’d pay $1000 right now if I had the option.

bhtooefr > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 07/31/2017 at 12:24

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It’ll be possible, I’d guess for $5000.

Of course, you could invest the $3000 and get a fair bit closer to the $5000, without assuming the risk that Tesla won’t be able to give you $3000 of value.

bhtooefr > fintail 07/31/2017 at 12:25

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Or, alternately, they’re people who moved downmarket to the Prius - the Model S and X let them move back into their usual market.

Arrivederci > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 12:41

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I might’ve misread the article I read where this was mentioned, but I thought it was a $3,000 option you could enable in the future, via an over the air update.

Meaning, at some point in the future when self-driving is functional and legal, you can then pay Tesla $3,000 and they’ll push the software to your car via an over the air update since the hardware was installed when it was built.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 12:54

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If the Model 3 fails to sell goals and falls flat, they will fail. In simple terms, Tesla can’t handle an Edsel like failure.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > My X-type is too a real Jaguar 07/31/2017 at 13:15

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I guess the blind hype clouds the very real problems this company is facing.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Arrivederci 07/31/2017 at 13:17

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You might be right. What I quoted from the article is all that Jalopnik said about it, though. Unless I missed it.

Arrivederci > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 13:20

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I’m definitely not sure - I went out to the Tesla forum and they seem to agree with what you originally posted as correct. I definitely wouldn’t option it if that’s the case!

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > TFen 07/31/2017 at 13:23

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I get that. I really get that. But how long are you intending to keep your truck? Since your truck seems to be for work I’d say you keep it for longer than average, but since average length of new car ownership is 6.5 years in the USA, I doubt fully autonomous abilities will be ready inside of that (sure the software will probably be ready, but I seriously doubt the regulation will be). Thats what I was commenting on. If they’re asking people to pay up front for tech their car may never see inside of their length of ownership then whats the point except for marketing and fundraising? I also drew the comparison to their luxury competitors because such a stunt would be seen as ridiculous by their buyers.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > Arrivederci 07/31/2017 at 13:27

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IF you can upgrade to it in the future then I get it, the price is very steep but new tech is very seldom cheap.

However, if its an option you have to order; thats where I get lost. It just seems like a marketing and fundraising exercise to me. Sure your car might get fully autonomous capabilities one day, but the next owner or the one after will probably be enjoying those features as you will most likely have already upgraded.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 13:31

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It’s been impressive what they (and SpaceX) have been able to do so far. Definitely agree in hoping that they succeed long term, and on merit, not hype.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > bhtooefr 07/31/2017 at 13:32

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See the Squirrel’s response.

fintail > bhtooefr 07/31/2017 at 13:32

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Good point. Especially when it was a new idea, the Prius wasn’t only bought by thrifty commuters.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 07/31/2017 at 13:39

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It’s not that they are in dire straights, it’s that future growth and stability requires them to go down market. They’ve put everything on the line with the 3.

DasWauto > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 07/31/2017 at 13:46

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Are you sure? While that’s easier to justify on a more expensive car like the S or X, it seems like too big of a gamble to install the hardware in all the cars when not all of them will end up enabled. The $35000 would have a significant loss built in, more so than a is already likely necessary.

The $3000 cost would also make a lot more sense if it covers the cost of the sensor/camera hardware as well as the autopilot software, which they are now promising will eventually be capable of full autonomy.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > DasWauto 07/31/2017 at 13:48

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As far as I am aware all cars have all the hardware to simplify production.